Comments on: Linux, Still not there yet http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/ Business and Tech Ramblings Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:45:00 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Lee http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-1355 Lee Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:40:20 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-1355 I agree with the author. I am a current Windows XP user (dual monitor set-up) trying to migrate to Linux and not go the Vista way. I have tried Different linux distributions, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, PclinuxOs 2007, Fedora, Opensuse 10.2, simplymepis. And all them the deal breaker was driver support for my Radeon x850XT, very difficult to support dual monitor set-up. although fedora and Opensuse have GUI for Dual monitor it very buggy and i am actually not able to configure it even after installing the lastest ATI proprietary linux driver. The rest Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Pclinuxos doesn't even have gui for dual monitor. I have installed and reinstalled to each distributions hoping that on some install i might have corrupted files but to no avail. Until now 1 month later I'm still in limbo despite reading the forum and googling it. People always say how easy it is with synaptic manager to install, but once you start tinkering with CLI for driver issues that is not just in the league of your "Average Joe". I agree with the author. I am a current Windows XP user (dual monitor set-up) trying to migrate to Linux and not go the Vista way. I have tried Different linux distributions, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, PclinuxOs 2007, Fedora, Opensuse 10.2, simplymepis.

And all them the deal breaker was driver support for my Radeon x850XT, very difficult to support dual monitor set-up. although fedora and Opensuse have GUI for Dual monitor it very buggy and i am actually not able to configure it even after installing the lastest ATI proprietary linux driver. The rest Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Pclinuxos doesn’t even have gui for dual monitor. I have installed and reinstalled to each distributions hoping that on some install i might have corrupted files but to no avail. Until now 1 month later I’m still in limbo despite reading the forum and googling it.

People always say how easy it is with synaptic manager to install, but once you start tinkering with CLI for driver issues that is not just in the league of your “Average Joe”.

]]> By: Brad http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-1164 Brad Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:04:58 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-1164 The problem with your whole story is you assume too much of the average user. First of all, does the average user use bleeding edge video hardware that costs, at a minimum on Amazon.com, $300? No. Average people use older hardware with stable drivers that can be easily updated through YaST. Second, does the average user update Microsoft kernels? No. If you want to assume that average users don't even know the difference between distributions, then you MUST assume they don't care about kernel updates. To even imply that users who don't know about distro's, or how to easily set up YaST for that matter, would want to update their kernel is rediculous. Even if you do assume a reinstall of drivers after a kernel update, all it takes is to have YaST reinstall the drivers for you...which is the same amount of work as bringing up Windows Update in IE. Your logic is flawed, which makes the story bend to Microsoft's side...but correct the logic and you'll see the ground is more even on both sides, except openSUSE is free. I can agree that an openSUSE download isn't ready for the average user...but the purchased version for $59.99 that includes support most certainly is. The problem with your whole story is you assume too much of the average user.

First of all, does the average user use bleeding edge video hardware that costs, at a minimum on Amazon.com, $300? No. Average people use older hardware with stable drivers that can be easily updated through YaST.

Second, does the average user update Microsoft kernels? No. If you want to assume that average users don’t even know the difference between distributions, then you MUST assume they don’t care about kernel updates. To even imply that users who don’t know about distro’s, or how to easily set up YaST for that matter, would want to update their kernel is rediculous.

Even if you do assume a reinstall of drivers after a kernel update, all it takes is to have YaST reinstall the drivers for you…which is the same amount of work as bringing up Windows Update in IE.

Your logic is flawed, which makes the story bend to Microsoft’s side…but correct the logic and you’ll see the ground is more even on both sides, except openSUSE is free.

I can agree that an openSUSE download isn’t ready for the average user…but the purchased version for $59.99 that includes support most certainly is.

]]> By: Othello Orson http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-1117 Othello Orson Tue, 05 Jun 2007 02:15:35 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-1117 "Unfortunately is because of the lazyness of the average user regarding computer technology that the Web is such a dangerous place and virus companies earn so much money." This to me is a declaration of understanding that Linux is not ready for the public. Go through a list of all the most commonly used items today cars, mobile phones, an endless list, what would happen if there was an announcement that every one of these items had a better and cheaper version ....if you are not too "lazy" to build it. The "not lazy" people would spend so much time figuring out how everything works they wouldn't end up with the time to use anything. The vast majority of PC users aren't lazy, they simply have more important things to do than to obtain products that "are better than others" but they have to spend hours and weeks getting them to work. Most peoples lives are bigger than their PC. Even one of the most major emulation software producers (for getting around the “failing” of Linux to operate what people want, their Windows applications) Wine, advise, if you have enough money they will write the work around for you, highlighting laziness has nothing to do with it, you either need to be a professional programmer or do without. And yes I understand the "catch 22", no one will write software for Linux unless it's has a large user base and if it only uses Windows applications why change. Finally, I've never had a virus attack in 20+ years of computing. Why? Because the software does what I want, out of the box (even it was built to cover up for the failings of windows to perform). As I said, I'll be glad to switch to Linux, when it's a viable option. As for the comment on Open Office. Sure it's seems better than Word, Excel but it's different and requires some re-learning. As a document drafter, there are a number of profound failings in basic functions such as copying, word wrap, indenting, with Word, to the extent I often wonder if microsoft have brainstorming sessions to figure out the dumbest, most annoying ways to build software, have them built by amateur programmers and then add random strings to ensure the product acts erratically. However, even if it's free, why would I move to Open Office and re-learn Word? Open Office have simply copied all the same stupid and annoying functions of Word, demonstrating they are just as uninspired? (Lousy programming not in, Wordperfect 18 years ago.) Laziness? Laziness is probably the public not using the thousands of fault complaints sent to microsoft which microsoft knows and never fixes or warns the public about when it sells it’s products which cause stress and time wastage and not challenging Microsoft in a class action for damages. “Unfortunately is because of the lazyness of the average user regarding computer technology that the Web is such a dangerous place and virus companies earn so much money.”

This to me is a declaration of understanding that Linux is not ready for the public.

Go through a list of all the most commonly used items today cars, mobile phones, an endless list, what would happen if there was an announcement that every one of these items had a better and cheaper version ….if you are not too “lazy” to build it.

The “not lazy” people would spend so much time figuring out how everything works they wouldn’t end up with the time to use anything.

The vast majority of PC users aren’t lazy, they simply have more important things to do than to obtain products that “are better than others” but they have to spend hours and weeks getting them to work. Most peoples lives are bigger than their PC.

Even one of the most major emulation software producers (for getting around the “failing” of Linux to operate what people want, their Windows applications) Wine, advise, if you have enough money they will write the work around for you, highlighting laziness has nothing to do with it, you either need to be a professional programmer or do without.

And yes I understand the “catch 22″, no one will write software for Linux unless it’s has a large user base and if it only uses Windows applications why change.

Finally, I’ve never had a virus attack in 20+ years of computing. Why? Because the software does what I want, out of the box (even it was built to cover up for the failings of windows to perform).

As I said, I’ll be glad to switch to Linux, when it’s a viable option.

As for the comment on Open Office. Sure it’s seems better than Word, Excel but it’s different and requires some re-learning.

As a document drafter, there are a number of profound failings in basic functions such as copying, word wrap, indenting, with Word, to the extent I often wonder if microsoft have brainstorming sessions to figure out the dumbest, most annoying ways to build software, have them built by amateur programmers and then add random strings to ensure the product acts erratically.

However, even if it’s free, why would I move to Open Office and re-learn Word? Open Office have simply copied all the same stupid and annoying functions of Word, demonstrating they are just as uninspired? (Lousy programming not in, Wordperfect 18 years ago.)

Laziness? Laziness is probably the public not using the thousands of fault complaints sent to microsoft which microsoft knows and never fixes or warns the public about when it sells it’s products which cause stress and time wastage and not challenging Microsoft in a class action for damages.

]]> By: alsutton http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-667 alsutton Wed, 30 May 2007 19:15:39 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-667 It's always useful to hear the experience of others, but mine wasn't as easy as yours. As for Vista, it did what I wanted, I had no problems with driver upgrades, I found it's UI to feel more pleasant than OpenSuSE with smoother scrolling and fonts which looked more polished (but that is a personal opinion). I can assure you that I'm not a M$ shill, as it is I didn't pay for the copy of Vista I'm using, it was a free upgrade because I bought a laptop in January before Vista was out and the store gave me a free upgrade upon Vistas release. It’s always useful to hear the experience of others, but mine wasn’t as easy as yours.

As for Vista, it did what I wanted, I had no problems with driver upgrades, I found it’s UI to feel more pleasant than OpenSuSE with smoother scrolling and fonts which looked more polished (but that is a personal opinion).

I can assure you that I’m not a M$ shill, as it is I didn’t pay for the copy of Vista I’m using, it was a free upgrade because I bought a laptop in January before Vista was out and the store gave me a free upgrade upon Vistas release.

]]> By: Pieter http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-664 Pieter Wed, 30 May 2007 18:36:20 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-664 My experience is quite different... OpenSuSE 10.2 installs like a dream (standard or with full options). The Nvidia driver works very well for 3D desktopsay Beryl and dual screens is no problem. I upgdate when a new kernel is available and never have to re-install the Nvidia driver ! a. you can compile a new kernel for the Nvidia driver OR b. you can have it running as a module In the case of option a. surely you need to compile the new kernel ahgain as you have ditched the old one, duh. Anyway the "average user" doesn't have a dual screen setup with two different resolutions. Lastly your story doesn't tell if Vi$ta was any better or had simular issues or other -even worse- issues compared to what you expected. The great thing about GNU/Linux is that when something doesn't work this creates a good opportunity to learn something about GNU/Linux and your PC. I always smile when I encounter stories like this. Having started with SuSE 8.0 through 8.1 - 8.3 -9.0 -9.1- 9.3 -10.0 -10.1 - 10.2 (& 10.3 in Januari 2008), the install and setup to my liking takes me about half a day 4 to 5 hrs. The time I save, untill I upgrade again, this way as compared to running and maintaining a M$ OS is so huge....... hence my smile. *No Trojans *No viri *No keyloggers *No malware ! *No BSoD *No defragmentation of HDD *No registers that fill up and the 3x a day reboot *No costs for extra software *No instable system *No cost for the OS Now that is what the "avarage user" wants :D And anyway Vi$sta is just XP with a new set of icons, limited eye-candy and slow. Alsao whatever hapened to? #Avalon #WinFS #XAML #Indigo #new namespaces #Metro & PDF #SuperFetch That M$ promised ? Smells like FUD this story, sure you are not a M$ shill ?? ;) My experience is quite different…

OpenSuSE 10.2 installs like a dream (standard or with full options). The Nvidia driver works very well for 3D desktopsay Beryl and dual screens is no problem. I upgdate when a new kernel is available and never have to re-install the Nvidia driver !

a. you can compile a new kernel for the Nvidia driver
OR
b. you can have it running as a module

In the case of option a. surely you need to compile the new kernel ahgain as you have ditched the old one, duh.
Anyway the “average user” doesn’t have a dual screen setup with two different resolutions.

Lastly your story doesn’t tell if Vi$ta was any better or had simular issues or other -even worse- issues compared to what you expected.

The great thing about GNU/Linux is that when something doesn’t work this creates a good opportunity to learn something about GNU/Linux and your PC.

I always smile when I encounter stories like this. Having started with SuSE 8.0 through 8.1 – 8.3 -9.0 -9.1- 9.3 -10.0 -10.1 – 10.2 (& 10.3 in Januari 2008), the install and setup to my liking takes me about half a day 4 to 5 hrs.

The time I save, untill I upgrade again, this way as compared to running and maintaining a M$ OS is so huge……. hence my smile.

*No Trojans
*No viri
*No keyloggers
*No malware !
*No BSoD
*No defragmentation of HDD
*No registers that fill up and the 3x a day reboot
*No costs for extra software
*No instable system
*No cost for the OS

Now that is what the “avarage user” wants :D
And anyway Vi$sta is just XP with a new set of icons, limited eye-candy and slow.

Alsao whatever hapened to?

#Avalon
#WinFS
#XAML
#Indigo
#new namespaces
#Metro & PDF
#SuperFetch

That M$ promised ?
Smells like FUD this story, sure you are not a M$ shill ?? ;)

]]> By: Paull (Portugal) http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-625 Paull (Portugal) Tue, 29 May 2007 12:09:28 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-625 Unfortunately is because of the lazyness of the average user regarding computer technology that the Web is such a dangerous place and virus companies earn so much money. I know a lot of people, the so called "average" users that I simply would NOT let them reach near a computer. For people like that, the best technology I would give them would be a pencil and a piece of paper. It's those users that endanger the Web ecosystem with their virus loaded boxes, property of botnets. Lazyness in learning is our (as in human terms) worst enemy. So I believe that the main problem about Linux acceptance as a valid "for the people" OS is education of the masses, not simply thru books or articles, but let be known that those books and articles exist. Average Joe doesn't know that that info is available, simply as that. Remembering now about the Dell/Ubuntu deal, I can almost see a vendor in wal-mart simply not being capable of answering a customer's questions about Ubuntu in a Dell system. So what "Joe" will do? Will get a Vi$ta box because "it's more or less like Xp". My experience? I'm not a nerd/tech guy, although I consider myslef to be well above average in terms of computer knowledge (mostly hardware). I don't code, just do some little stuff in CLI (most of teh heavy things is copy/paste from good foruns/guides) and when needed edit GRUB or Xorg lightly to fix something. I enter this Linux business out of curiosity. I heard about it, read a litlle bit, ask a few questions and tried a Live CD (SUSE Linux 10, then Ubuntu 6.06). Fell in love with later one. Got myself a 160GB IBM drive and dual-boot my machine in June 06. Never looked back. Ubuntu 6.06 did everything I wanted and more. I even played WoW with it with just a minor slowdown from WINE due to translation. Last month I wiped the disk and installed 7.04. No problems at all until now. It's my main system atm... only go to Xp when i need to go with a group in WoW. WINE still lags a bit when i'm in an instance with more people. How did I did it ? I read, and read and learned and i'm still learning. Simply as that. Again, Linux is NOT Windows and doesn't need to be. It's better! Linux has it's awesome merits. Be it Ubuntu, Mandriva, Fedora, whatever... Average Joe doesn't want to learn a bit ? Stay with Xp (and virus, botnets, spyware), Buy a Mac or simply get a paper and pencil... ps.- want an idea to spread Linux? Order some dozen units of Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu original cds and add them a card with some helping websites... go to a Computer store (small one is better)and ask if you can just put them for offer without any compensation. Just tag them free... somebody will try them. People can't resist free stuff... My 2 cents for the chat... Unfortunately is because of the lazyness of the average user regarding computer technology that the Web is such a dangerous place and virus companies earn so much money.
I know a lot of people, the so called “average” users that I simply would NOT let them reach near a computer. For people like that, the best technology I would give them would be a pencil and a piece of paper. It’s those users that endanger the Web ecosystem with their virus loaded boxes, property of botnets.
Lazyness in learning is our (as in human terms) worst enemy.
So I believe that the main problem about Linux acceptance as a valid “for the people” OS is education of the masses, not simply thru books or articles, but let be known that those books and articles exist. Average Joe doesn’t know that that info is available, simply as that.
Remembering now about the Dell/Ubuntu deal, I can almost see a vendor in wal-mart simply not being capable of answering a customer’s questions about Ubuntu in a Dell system. So what “Joe” will do? Will get a Vi$ta box because “it’s more or less like Xp”.
My experience? I’m not a nerd/tech guy, although I consider myslef to be well above average in terms of computer knowledge (mostly hardware). I don’t code, just do some little stuff in CLI (most of teh heavy things is copy/paste from good foruns/guides) and when needed edit GRUB or Xorg lightly to fix something. I enter this Linux business out of curiosity. I heard about it, read a litlle bit, ask a few questions and tried a Live CD (SUSE Linux 10, then Ubuntu 6.06).
Fell in love with later one. Got myself a 160GB IBM drive and dual-boot my machine in June 06. Never looked back. Ubuntu 6.06 did everything I wanted and more. I even played WoW with it with just a minor slowdown from WINE due to translation.
Last month I wiped the disk and installed 7.04. No problems at all until now. It’s my main system atm… only go to Xp when i need to go with a group in WoW. WINE still lags a bit when i’m in an instance with more people.
How did I did it ? I read, and read and learned and i’m still learning. Simply as that.
Again, Linux is NOT Windows and doesn’t need to be. It’s better!
Linux has it’s awesome merits. Be it Ubuntu, Mandriva, Fedora, whatever…
Average Joe doesn’t want to learn a bit ? Stay with Xp (and virus, botnets, spyware), Buy a Mac or simply get a paper and pencil…

ps.- want an idea to spread Linux? Order some dozen units of Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu original cds and add them a card with some helping websites… go to a Computer store (small one is better)and ask if you can just put them for offer without any compensation. Just tag them free… somebody will try them. People can’t resist free stuff…

My 2 cents for the chat…

]]> By: Andrei http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-624 Andrei Tue, 29 May 2007 11:52:09 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-624 I have to use Vista at work to test our QuickTime - and I must say it is too complex, too slow and ugly. I do not fall into hate-love-Microsoft trap, but this OS is definitely light years away from GNOME or Mac OS x. You can argue about the look, but Vista is has unreasonable and spagette UI. It is hard to navigate, it also seems mad designer had a go at it. For new users of Linux in the States, I recommend buying new Ubuntu Dells. You should have no issues with hardware. I have to use Vista at work to test our QuickTime – and I must say it is too complex, too slow and ugly. I do not fall into hate-love-Microsoft trap, but this OS is definitely light years away from GNOME or Mac OS x.

You can argue about the look, but Vista is has unreasonable and spagette UI. It is hard to navigate, it also seems mad designer had a go at it.

For new users of Linux in the States, I recommend buying new Ubuntu Dells. You should have no issues with hardware.

]]> By: DRDR http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-623 DRDR Tue, 29 May 2007 11:46:07 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-623 I have to agree with Al. I have been tinkering with Linux on and off for about 7 years. Two years ago, I made a significant effort to use Linux and free software more. I tried every major distro (K/X/Ubuntu, SuSE and OpenSuSE, Fedora, Mandriva, Freespire, Mepis, PCLOS and many more....). I never could come up with a system that does everything I want or need due to driver limitations or other issues. The average user should not have to, and probably lacks the ability to compile drivers from source code. And while it is getting better in all distros, package management and dependency hell was not conducive to a smooth, enjoyable experience. (To be fair, I have used OpenSuSE and Ubuntu mostly: OpenSuSE was still a little rough when I abandoned it at 10.2, but Ubuntu 7.04 works quite well here.) As good as OpenOffice is (and I recommend it frequently for those who need a strong office suite) it still has MSO compatibility issues that are nagging and on-going (especially PPT and Calc). On top of that, the "questionable legality" of free implementations of standard multimedia codecs (in the U.S.) made me less than enthusiastic about whole-hearted switching. I just recently tried to run a fairly recent Windows program using Wine, but it crashes every time I try to open or save a document. Compatibility issues are still abundant on the emulator frontier. I still have Ubuntu Feisty on an older desktop box that I use for some testing, but I have been very pleased with Vista (Home Premium) on my main desktop setup. To be fair and honest, it, too, has compatibility issues with some older programs, but it is polished and (so far) very stable. It did require some hardware upgrades, but that was cheaper than a whole new machine. One of my greatest annoyances with Vista (Home Basic) has been that I can't get an updated ATi display driver for my less than 2 year old Toshiba notebook. Imagine if car manufacturers did not provide parts beyond the first year.... I want Linux to succeed, as competition is good in any enterprise. It sparks innovation and provides new features and and enhancements. Many of the free software packages out there are quite good, but maybe just not quite on par with commercial offerings...yet. I'll keep watching, testing, and tinkering with Linux, but until Linux can provide me with everything I need, I think I , too, will stick with Windows for my main platform. I have to agree with Al. I have been tinkering with Linux on and off for about 7 years. Two years ago, I made a significant effort to use Linux and free software more. I tried every major distro (K/X/Ubuntu, SuSE and OpenSuSE, Fedora, Mandriva, Freespire, Mepis, PCLOS and many more….). I never could come up with a system that does everything I want or need due to driver limitations or other issues. The average user should not have to, and probably lacks the ability to compile drivers from source code. And while it is getting better in all distros, package management and dependency hell was not conducive to a smooth, enjoyable experience. (To be fair, I have used OpenSuSE and Ubuntu mostly: OpenSuSE was still a little rough when I abandoned it at 10.2, but Ubuntu 7.04 works quite well here.)
As good as OpenOffice is (and I recommend it frequently for those who need a strong office suite) it still has MSO compatibility issues that are nagging and on-going (especially PPT and Calc). On top of that, the “questionable legality” of free implementations of standard multimedia codecs (in the U.S.) made me less than enthusiastic about whole-hearted switching. I just recently tried to run a fairly recent Windows program using Wine, but it crashes every time I try to open or save a document. Compatibility issues are still abundant on the emulator frontier.
I still have Ubuntu Feisty on an older desktop box that I use for some testing, but I have been very pleased with Vista (Home Premium) on my main desktop setup. To be fair and honest, it, too, has compatibility issues with some older programs, but it is polished and (so far) very stable. It did require some hardware upgrades, but that was cheaper than a whole new machine. One of my greatest annoyances with Vista (Home Basic) has been that I can’t get an updated ATi display driver for my less than 2 year old Toshiba notebook. Imagine if car manufacturers did not provide parts beyond the first year….
I want Linux to succeed, as competition is good in any enterprise. It sparks innovation and provides new features and and enhancements. Many of the free software packages out there are quite good, but maybe just not quite on par with commercial offerings…yet. I’ll keep watching, testing, and tinkering with Linux, but until Linux can provide me with everything I need, I think I , too, will stick with Windows for my main platform.

]]> By: alsutton http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-622 alsutton Tue, 29 May 2007 11:34:47 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-622 I have used linux for well over a decade for server side tasks, and it is my preferred server OS, and I don't have any problems with it as an OS, and I've used a several distributions, from slackware in the early days, through to RedHat, then Fedora, and SuSE. You may feel it is there based on your experience, but I can tell you for the average user it most definatley is not. You may see think this is FUD because it doesn't represnt your views, and doesn't fit in with your views, but this is based on real world knowlege and experience after supporting hundres of users accross several companies. As said before, the distribution choice was made by finding the latest release in Amazons Linux category. This is the way non-technical users would do it, they wouldn't spend days comparing KDE to Gnome, Compiz to Beryl, etc., etc., etc., they would go to somewhere selling Linux distributions and buy one and try just that one. I have used linux for well over a decade for server side tasks, and it is my preferred server OS, and I don’t have any problems with it as an OS, and I’ve used a several distributions, from slackware in the early days, through to RedHat, then Fedora, and SuSE.

You may feel it is there based on your experience, but I can tell you for the average user it most definatley is not. You may see think this is FUD because it doesn’t represnt your views, and doesn’t fit in with your views, but this is based on real world knowlege and experience after supporting hundres of users accross several companies.

As said before, the distribution choice was made by finding the latest release in Amazons Linux category. This is the way non-technical users would do it, they wouldn’t spend days comparing KDE to Gnome, Compiz to Beryl, etc., etc., etc., they would go to somewhere selling Linux distributions and buy one and try just that one.

]]> By: Andrei http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-621 Andrei Tue, 29 May 2007 11:15:32 +0000 http://alsutton.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-still-not-there-yet/#comment-621 It is there. You cannot say Linux is not ready for the desktop, based on your (relatively) obstacles. All my hardware works, I have all the necessary programs (except maybe Lightroom) and I am content with Ubuntu Linux Luditte was correct in re-titling: "Opensuse 10.2 still not there yet" Do not spread FUD. If you do not like Linux, just say so, do not generalize please It is there.

You cannot say Linux is not ready for the desktop, based on your (relatively) obstacles.

All my hardware works, I have all the necessary programs (except maybe Lightroom) and I am content with Ubuntu Linux

Luditte was correct in re-titling: “Opensuse 10.2 still not there yet”

Do not spread FUD. If you do not like Linux, just say so, do not generalize please

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